This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Wednesday, September 22nd, 2021.

I'm Caleb Brown.

Even with massive protests against police abuse in 2020,

policing reform at the state level has led only a handful of states to make ground-up reforms

that fundamentally deliver accountability to police.

Virginia is working to advance a number of reforms.

Nick Freitas is a member of the Virginia House of Delegates.

We talked about the politics and policy of policing last week.

It's probably attempting for a lot of people

to imagine that there was some sort of golden age of a relationship

between police and the broader public with respect to police abuse, we're seeing it a lot more than we have in the past just by virtue of the technology that's available to us.

But to the extent that there might have been this golden age,

when do you see or how do you see the relationship

between the police and some communities breaking down?

Well, I think there's a couple different ways to look at it.

I mean, one of the things I always think is important is to say compared to what.

I think when you look at law enforcement practices in the last couple of decades

compared to law enforcement practices either in the United States or the rest of the world,

I think there is a lot of, there's a lot to be proud of with respect to our processes

our procedures or training and things like that there's also a lot to still be

concerned about so one of the things that I think seen within community relationships within law

enforcement is obviously there are specific communities with the United

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