Unfortunately, these do-gooders have this view that everybody's got goodness in their heart.

Sorry, to disappoint you, everybody hasn't got goodness in their heart, you know?

And some people are coming here because they want to make money.

They don't want to pay tax and they want to make use of whatever it is that's here that they want

that they can't get at home.

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster.

I'm Constantine Kisson.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant and returning guest today is a journalist, radio and TV presenter.

Mike Graham, welcome back to Trigonometry.

Thank you very much. I guess you must have liked the last time.

We did.

But you guys have gone up in the world a bit.

Thanks to you, Mike. It was your appearance.

Listen, Joe Rogan talks about you, you know, what more can you want?

Yeah, we're very pleased with how it's going and you're doing very well as well.

We are.

Before we get into that, just for people who are new to the show who

didn't see our first interview, tell everybody a little bit about your back story.

Who are you? How are you? Where you are? What has been your journey through life?

Yeah, I mean, I came to broadcasting via newspapers when they used to be dangerous and there's

a cell and awful lot of papers and we used to drink it all for a lot.

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