From your perspective, it's like we've got this sort of fundamental thing about human beings.

And then we've got the way that we constitute our politics.

And the danger is that if our politics grow too tribal, they grow excessively tribal, right?

Then we like lose the common common wheel, we lose this sort of way of talking.

And we start doing this thing that you said, you know, if Trump also talked to Kim Jong-un,

then it's necessarily bad, even though I personally think like, yeah, go talk to Kim Jong-un.

But we all have that, right?

Like it's like, oh, if Trump says it, then it must be a bad idea, kind of impulse.

But I think that it's not just a random thing.

I tried to explain why at this particular moment, we are in maybe more, I mean,

okay, there was the Civil War and there have been these difficult moments,

but that we are seeing tribalism taken over our political system in a way that we haven't seen in many generations.

Welcome to Why Is This Happening With Me, Your Host, Chris Akes.

Have you noticed there's been a lot of talk recently about political tribalism?

It's a term, I guess it's a term that's existed for a while.

People talked about tribalism, but it's gotten really intense recently.

It's good.

Entered into common usage.

And you see it invoked all the time.

And I have some really, really intensely aggressively mixed feelings about it.

Well, first, you know, there are American Indians, indigenous native peoples who don't like the term,

because there's a, the adjective tribal has to do with folks that come from those communities.

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