Atheists, agnostics, long-haired widows, short-haired winters, vandals, vandal,

Lugugust.

I'm the government, hug the government, love, the government, hug the government.

Welcome to the politics, guys.

I'm Trey Orndorff, a political scientist at Oklahoma Christian University,

and I'm joined by Justin Holmes, a professor of political science at the University of Northern Iowa.

Justin, welcome to the midweek supporter exclusive show.

I feel exclusive. It's good to be here.

Aren't we exclusive, though? We are. I mean, who can top our style, our fashion, or our social science insight?

And you get all of that and more for just a dollar on this show.

So what we've been doing on the midweek shows for the two of us, we've got different

mini-series going on listeners. Ken and myself have been doing the Federalist Papers.

We're going to be back with that. Justin and I, although we've been away a little bit,

he and I have been doing political ideologies for you.

And we've been kind of going through them in the same way that I teach them.

And so that brings us this week to coming in to nationalism.

This is, I think, a really important one, Justin, because I think more people are nationalists than they realize, especially on the right, although some on the left as well.

But it's also kind of a difficult one because that word, you know, like, oh, there's a nation, there's nationalism.

We think we know what we're talking about.

Until we really start trying to define.

And you, you know, you're an empirical guy, so you know.

I feel like with a lot of these, you know, it's really straightforward until we start talking and then it's not.

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