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Political Gabfest - Gabfest Reads: Zadie Smith Knows You're a Fraud

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🗓️ 23 September 2023

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Emily Bazelon talks with author Zadie Smith about her new book, The Fraud. They discuss what happens when justice comes through an unjust symbol, how much Zadie does and doesn’t know about her characters, and more. 


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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Gap Fest Reads for the month of September.

0:09.3

I'm Emily Vasan, one of the hosts of Slade's political Gap Fest.

0:14.8

Zadi Smith is the author of some novels I love, including White Teeth and on Beauty and

0:19.2

NW. She is also a dazzling essayist. Zadi is here to talk about her far-ranging new historical

0:26.4

novel, The Fraud.

0:28.2

The Fraud begins in 1873 and ranges back and forth to the 1830s.

0:33.2

It's told mostly from the perspective of Eliza Touche, a cousin by marriage and former

0:38.2

lover of the very bad English novelist William Harrison Ainsworth.

0:43.2

He was a real person who at one point outsold Charles Dickens, which he does not want

0:47.6

anyone to forget. Eliza Touche is keeping house for Ainsworth, his three unmarried daughters

0:53.0

and his young new wife who used to be the family servant.

0:57.3

What's the back job for what's really the centerpiece of the story, which is the

1:00.1

Titchborne trial?

1:01.8

This is also an event pulled from real life.

1:04.3

Sir Roger Titchborne was the heir to a wealthy family in England who was apparently

1:08.3

lost at sea.

1:09.8

But wait, a man who claims to be Titchborne, who probably was really a butcher named Arthur

1:15.3

Orton, appears in England claims to be Sir Roger Titchborne rescued.

1:21.6

And very interestingly, the former valet of the real Sir Roger Titchborne, a former

1:26.7

slave named Andrew Bogle, shows up in court to vouch for this claimant, this Titchborne

1:33.0

claimant.

1:34.0

So this is a novel about truth and fiction, and the central question in I think is who

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