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Hello and welcome to Gabfest reads for the month of May.

I'm Emily Bazlan, one of the hosts of Plays

Political Gabfest, and I'm here with Bill Wossack and Monica Murphy,

who are the authors of the new book,

Our Kindred Creatures,

How Americans came to feel the way they do about animals.

Bill and Monica, welcome.

Hi there, thanks for having us.

So Bill is the editorial director of the New York Times magazine and a colleague of mine,

and Monica is a veterinarian and a writer.

This is their second book they've written together, and it's about what you call a

transformative 30-year period for animal rights and animal welfare in the United States

beginning in 1866 and I think that's the founding of the first animal welfare society.

It's the time you say that created our current attitude toward animals, our love of pets, our reverence for certain kinds of wildlife, and then

the distant ignorance of food animals who live and die at a remove from us.

So you say that if we want to understand why we have the complicated

feelings we now have animals that we have to understand this period, what is

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