This episode of the Gap Fest is sponsored by SAP.

First, the bad news.

SAP business AI won't help you generate cubist versions

of your family's holiday photos.

But it will help you understand which supplier is best to help you

roll out your plant-based packaging in Southeast Asia and identify the training your

junior project manager needs to rise up the ranks and automate the opportunity. I'm John Dickerson. In this episode I talk with Brad Stolberg, an author, executive coach, and faculty member at the University of Michigan's Graduate School of Public Health.

His work is dedicated to the science public health.

His work is dedicated to the science behind well-being and achieving excellence.

His new book is called Master of Change, How to Excel when everything is changing including you and it explores how to

stay stable in the face of life shocks that inevitably will come to all of us.

It's out now from Harper Collins. Here's our conversation.

Brad Stelberg, welcome to Gabbfest Reed's. Thanks so much for being here.

John, it's a pleasure.

Thanks for having me.

I first got to know you through Instagram

when a friend of mine forwarded one of your posts and then they became so nourishing.

I started following you and I started reading your work and we're going to talk about

master of change but I just want to testify to the fact that social media is not totally awful because it brought me in touch in touch with your work.

So I want to start with, when we're talking about change, one of the things I loved was the study you cited that said

there are and I can't remember there was 36 or 38 life altering events.

Explain what that means and give me the right number

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