Hello and welcome to Slate Gampfest Reeds.

I'm John Dickerson.

Today I'm talking to Dan Harris.

He's the author of 10% Happier.

He wrote it 10 years ago, but it's been reissued.

So that's what we're going to talk about.

Dan is also the host of 10% happier podcast

with Dan Harris. All right, Dan, before we weigh in, before we hopscotch all over the place

with your book and I want to talk about the TV business and, oh my gosh, so many things to talk

about. The first thing, though, is I have to explain that this is an very weird experience for me because I read huge chunks of your book over the years, obviously been a longtime fan.

And then to bring myself into the present, I've been listening to you on audiobook, which means I'm having that experience you have with a good book or an audio book where the narrator is in your head. So I have been narrating the getting ready to talk to you

right now in your voice. And it's freaking me out. I want to apologize because I know what it's like

to have my own voice in my head, and it's difficult.

Well, yeah, well, it's very pleasing to have your voice in my head because I guess you've edited out all the, or left in just enough of the, of the ego that it is what makes it so winning, of course, you know, your journey through this.

But one of the things I love in the book and the work you do is the mix of skepticism with the woo-woo. And it's so great in the book because you're,

you know, you're skeptical, which makes the conclusions you come to so hard one and therefore useful.

But one of the things you talk about in the book is you're constantly searching, particularly

for the early part, and I thank goodness for your characterization of Eckhart Tolly, because

I had the same experience when I read The Power of Now.

Anyway, is that you're like, yeah, okay, fine, fine, but I need something useful, helpful.

So we are three weeks away from an election.

And I know you've written about this, but I want to give listeners before we go up to 30,000

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