This is an I-Heart podcast.

Hi, I'm Ryan Davis.

And I'm Kiernan Schmidt.

And we host out of office a travel podcast.

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On our show, we discuss all manner of travel topics.

Large and small, we got city and country guides, minutiae like what makes the perfect

suitcase or a perfect souvenir.

And we have guests.

We've got Rick Steves, the Traveler Editor of the New York Times, Amy Vershap, authors,

journalists, chefs.

So come take a seat with us and

travel the world on out of office. A travel podcast. Anywhere you listen to podcast. I'm Maeve Higgins,

and this is Solvable. Interviews with the world's most innovative thinkers who are working to

solve the world's biggest problems. And this is one episode I have

been dying to have a listen to. We visit Switzerland for this fabulously insightful exchange between

Anne Applebaum and Flavia Kleiner. Flavia is a 28-year-old history student at the forefront of fighting

right-wing populism. Here's a situation in Switzerland.

For more than 20 years,

the country has been something of a laboratory

for right-wing populism.

The right-wing Swiss People's Party

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