Hello ladies, hello gentlemen, this is the Victor Davis Hanson show.

I'm Jack Fowler, the host, the name's Sake, and the star Victor Davis Hanson is the Martin

and Ilyanderson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution.

And the Wayne and Marsha Busky Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College.

Victor, I know you talked a lot with Sammy on another podcast that you just recorded about

the big, one of the big topics of the end of 2022 and that's George Santos.

And there may be one or two other things to discuss about that and a broader theme of deception

not only in your, your classical historian, Victor.

I think you know that, don't you?

Can we look at the Greeks or any insight into public lying and then also Victor, you are

also a military historian and I personally am kind of interested in continuing this deception

theme into things military, some of the great deceptive moves of World War II.

So yeah, your thoughts on that.

So let's get to some final wrap up of your thoughts on the Santos affair, if we can

call it an affair, and then we'll get on to these other topics.

And we'll do that right after these important messages.

We're back with the Victor Davis Hanson show.

So Victor, I must admit, I didn't get a chance yet to listen to what you and Sammy discussed

about Santos, but I can't wait to listen.

I know before this podcast, we discussed things a little bit.

You have some more you want to add, but let me just throw out there.

Maybe our listeners saw earlier this current week, I was watching Fox News, and I saw

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