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Policing the Detectives

Shedunnit

Caroline Crampton

Arts, Books

4.9 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 19 May 2021

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Many thanks to my guest, Nicole Glover. More information about her work is available at nicole-glover.com, and her first book, The Conductors, is out now in the US and the UK. The inspiration for this episode was Nicole's article "Who Are You Going To Call: Rethinking The Role Of Police In Mysteries". There are no major spoilers in this episode, but there is some discussion of the works listed below. Sources and further information: — The Moonstone by Wilkie Collins — "On Duty With Inspector Field" by Charles Dickens in Household Words — Bleak House by Charles Dickens — "The Butler Did It" episode of Shedunnit — A Man Lay Dead by Ngaio Marsh — The Nursing Home Murder by Ngaio Marsh — Death In Ecstasy by Ngaio Marsh — The Mysterious Affair at Styles by Agatha Christie — Look to the Lady by Margery Allingham — Whose Body? by Dorothy L. Sayers NB: Links to Blackwell's are affiliate links, meaning that the podcast receives a small commission when you purchase a book there (the price remains the same for you). Blackwell's is a UK independent bookselling chain that ships internationally at no extra charge. To be the first to know about future developments with the podcast, sign up for the newsletter at shedunnitshow.com/newsletter. The podcast is on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram as @ShedunnitShow, and you can find it in all major podcast apps. Make sure you’re subscribed so you don’t miss the next episode. Click here to do that now in your app of choice. Find a full transcript of this episode at shedunnitshow.com/policingthedetectives Music by Audioblocks and Blue Dot Sessions. See shedunnitshow.com/musiccredits for more details. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

His detective fiction, an escapist genre. The marketing for today's thrillers and cozy

0:10.1

mysteries that encourages us to get away from the real world for a while by reading about

0:15.2

fictional crimes would suggest that it is. Expecting to be soothed by plots that center

0:21.7

on violent death might sound counterintuitive, but it's the structure around the crimes,

0:27.5

the power of the detective to create order out of chaos that is comforting.

0:32.7

Underlying all of this are assumptions about justice.

0:37.6

That through the investigations of a detective, the wicked perpetrators will receive their

0:42.8

just desserts and balance will be restored to the universe. And by and large,

0:49.1

it is a police force that enforces this justice. Even if it is an amateur or private detective

0:56.0

like Sherlock Holmes or Hercule Poirot who has cracked the mystery. It's the police who will

1:01.6

lead the culprit away to a cell after the dramatic denumer. Whether individual officers are portrayed

1:07.8

as whip smart or bumbling, the police as a whole are a default part of crime fiction.

1:13.4

Their presence is rarely questioned. But interactions with the police in real life are not always

1:19.4

as straightforward or fair as their portrayed in mysteries. For some people and groups, calling

1:25.1

the police has historically made their situation worse, not better. Whether that's because of racism,

1:31.1

sexism or other forms of prejudice. What would it look like if those stories and experiences

1:37.7

were reflected in detective fiction? That's what we're going to explore in today's episode.

1:43.2

Welcome to She Done It. I'm Caroline Crampton.

2:02.9

Detective fiction has always been closely intertwined with the police,

2:06.8

right from its beginnings in the 19th century. The two emerged around the same time and developed

2:12.6

in tandem. Eugene Francois Vidoc began organising an informal brigade of plain clothes law

2:19.6

enforcement officers in 1811. Two years later, the emperor Napoleon signed a decree that made

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