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Policing And Mental Health, Ancient Clams, Moon Plan. Oct. 18, 2019, Part 2

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🗓️ 18 October 2019

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In the 1980s and 1990s, in the midst of rising crime rates and a nationally waning confidence in policing, law enforcement around the country adopted a different approach to addressing crime. Instead of just reacting to crime when it happened, officers decided they’d try to prevent it from happening in the first place, employing things like “hot spots” policing and “stop and frisk,” or “terry stops.” The strategy is what criminologists call proactive policing, and it’s now become widely used in police departments across the nation, especially in cities. Critics and experts debate how effective these tactics are in lowering crime rates. While there’s some evidence that proactive policing does reduce crime, now public health researchers are questioning if the practice—which sometimes results in innocent people being stopped, searched, and detained—comes with other unintended physical and mental health consequences. Samuel Walker, emeritus professor of criminology at the University of Nebraska Omaha and an expert in police accountability, reviews what led police departments to adopt a more proactive approach, while medical sociologist Alyasah Ali Sewell explains the physical and mental health impacts of stop-question-and-frisk policing. If you live near the coasts, you may occasionally enjoy a good clam bake. Thousands of years ago, indigenous people in the Pacific Northwest were much the same, with clams forming an important part of the coastal diet and culture. In fact, inhabitants of the Pacific Northwest developed techniques for cultivating clams in constructed ‘clam gardens’ along the coastline. A new study published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that those clam gardens were very successful, allowing the farmed clams to sustainably grow larger and more rapidly than untended clams, despite being heavily harvested. Dana Lepofsky, a professor of archaeology at Simon Fraser University and one of the authors of that study, joins Ira to describe the technology of the clam garden and what it might be able to teach us about modern sustainable aquaculture. This week, a congressional hearing examined NASA’s plan to return humans to the moon by 2024—and some Appropriations Committee members didn’t seem particularly bullish on the idea. New York Representative José E. Serrano had this to say: Since NASA had already programmed the lunar landing mission for 2028, why does it suddenly need to speed up the clock by four years—time that is needed to carry out a successful program from a science and safety perspective. To a lot of Members, the motivation appears to be just a political one—giving President Trump a moon landing in a possible second term, should he be reelected. In this segment, Eric Berger, a senior space editor at Ars Technica, talks with Ira about the implications of that hearing. Plus, as it rushes to meet that 2024 deadline, NASA this week unveiled a new spacesuit, tailor-made for strolling on the lunar surface. Amy Ross of NASA Johnson Space Center led the suit’s design, and she joins Ira here to talk about its capabilities—and why a puffy suit is still necessary, rather than a tighter design depicted and described in films like The Martian.

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0:00.0

This is Science Friday. I'm Ira Flato. Coming up, we'll talk about the president's plans to get

0:05.7

human boots back on the moon by 2024, and why that deadline may be scuttled. But first, policing in

0:14.2

America, a controversial subject, to say the least, and over the last few years, it's only become

0:19.6

more heated as several high-profile police

0:22.6

citizen confrontations have gone viral. But today, we're tackling a different part of that

0:28.7

conversation, health. The idea that policing has physical and mental health consequences.

0:35.6

Some public health researchers say, yes, it might just do that.

0:39.5

But before we get into that, let's talk about how policing in America, as we see it today,

0:44.4

even came to be.

0:45.7

How did we get here?

0:47.5

Here to tell us more about that is our first guest, Sam Walker, Professor Emeritus in the School

0:52.8

of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the University of Omaha in Nebraska.

0:57.5

Welcome to Science Friday.

0:59.2

Thank you. It's great to be here.

1:00.7

Can you start by defining for us the term proactive policing? What does it mean to police proactively?

1:07.6

Well, contacts between the police and citizens fall into two categories. Proactive actions are where the police initiate the contact. The other category, the majority of them, are reactive. That's where somebody calls 911 or they flag down a police car and the police react to that.

1:24.7

And so you have written about the history of proactive policing. Tell us how this sort of policing came to that. And so you have written about the history of proactive policing.

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Tell us how this sort of policing came to be.

1:32.0

Well, the police always did reactive policing,

1:35.3

about, excuse me, proactive policing,

1:37.0

where they would initiate some kind of contact.

1:39.3

But I think there was a real shift in the late 70s and 1980s,

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