My guest is Pavel Kabovnik.

Pavel Kabovnik. Pavlovak is Poland's deputy finance minister and was an advisor to Donald

Tuss, Poland's prime minister, when Donald Tass was present of the European Council. Welcome to the

podcast, Pavel. Thank you for having me. Since we are recording this on Tuesday the 3rd of June just after the second round

of your presidential elections, we have to talk about the presidential elections, of course.

First of all, how surprised with you by the final result when it came through?

A bit, a bit. I mean, it was clear that it's 50-50 and already last week we got polls which

indicated that Mr. Navarotsky might win. So we knew that the trend for the weekend was such

that Karol Navarovarovsky was trending a bit which then occurred in the polls and in the final results.

So not big of a surprise, but obviously we had expected something else.

Do you agree with this analysis now, maybe incident analysis, that the young people in Poland, they voted for not your

party, obviously, but also for Mr. Navaroffi's party, but also other parties of the extreme

right. The headline is that Poland is losing the young vote. Poland center right, a liberal

wing of the political spectrum is losing the young voters. Is that a fair assessment or not?

I think we've seen something that is also visible in other countries, namely that

young voters are passionate about their ideals and also they want radical and quick changes,

which is why they tend to vote anti-government.

And this is also the reason why many young voters didn't go to the polls,

because basically they were dissatisfied with the way the changes are happening here.

And they wanted more, they want it quicker and you know these

days I think people in general have say we are living in times of some some I might say I would

call it we are living in a times of social media democracy. So basically, you know, people have

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