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Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

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🗓️ 19 May 2017

⏱️ 78 minutes

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This episode wound up being about the limits and costs of empathy. First up: Franchesca Ramsey (@chescaleigh), creator and star of the hilarious social justice (really, all of that!) series, “Decoded.” We discuss about what she still feels uncomfortable talking about and who she feels uncomfortable talking to. Second segment: National correspondent for The Atlantic Graeme Wood (@gcaw), whose profile of honest-to-god Nazi and high school classmate Richard Spencer wound up being closer to his usual beat — ISIS — than Wood ever thought it would be. Wood is also the author of “The Way of the Strangers: Encounters with the Islamic State”: https://www.amazon.com/Way-Strangers-Encounters-Islamic-State-ebook/dp/B018PD2HIG/ Decoded: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnvZ3PbKApGM-hHuQ9lNc5oSKsusjn0Z6 “His Kampf: Richard Spencer is a troll and an icon for white supremacists. He was also my high-school classmate”: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/his-kampf/524505/ Sponsors this week: Texture: Texture makes magazines easy. Visit texture.com/friends Helix: A mattress made just for you. Visit helix.com/ana You can follow the show on Twitter! @crooked_friends Got a comment or a question about politics and relationships (or relationships and politics?) write us at [email protected].

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0:00.0	Hi, I'm Anna Mrykoks.
0:03.2	Welcome to With Friends Like These.
0:06.9	Have a great show for you today.
0:08.8	I'm going to talk to Graham Wood, who's a writer for the Atlantic,
0:11.4	who recently profiled Richard Spencer, the white nationalist,
0:15.1	and talked to Francesca Ramsey, who's the host of Decoded on MTV,
0:19.4	and a writer activist actress.
0:23.4	And it's funny.
0:24.2	When I was putting the show together,
0:26.8	I didn't think that it had a theme.
0:29.1	I just thought, well, these are two interesting people
0:31.9	whose work deals with difference.
0:35.4	Graham Wood usually writes about ISIS.
0:38.0	And his piece about Richard Spencer wound up almost drawing from that.
0:41.9	We talk about that.
0:42.7	But he went to high school with Richard Spencer.
0:44.6	So I thought, with friends like these,
0:46.6	what a perfect parallel subject for him.
0:50.8	And then Francesca is always dealing with wokeness on Decoded
0:57.2	and having finding ways to use humor to get to uncomfortable topics.
1:00.8	So I thought it was just a natural fit for the show.
1:03.8	I didn't realize that we have a theme.
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