I'm Natalie Moore. I fell in love with soap operas when I was just five years old, and I still

watch them. Their television's longest scripted series and have zero reruns. Now let me tell you,

soap operas aren't just some silly art form. They are significant. In this season of making,

Stories Without End from WB EZ Chicago.

Join me as I share how the genre began, their social impact, and why these stories endure.

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From WBEZ Chicago, this is Nerdette.

I'm Greta Johnson. Good morning. It is Tuesday. April 14th. I'm on the floor of my bedroom closet, which means this must be another edition of Nerdette's introverts guide

to the good life. All right. So today we are going to talk all about podcasts because as our

guest will tell you, you can use them to go to other places

you've never been. You can use them to hear some weird comedy or you can listen to get some

awesome inspiration of what to do with all the weird stuff that you panic purchased that's now

in your kitchen pantry. And who better to talk about podcasts than Nick Kwa. He is the podcast expert. He is

like the industriest insider I know. He writes this newsletter called Hot Pod. And he writes about

podcasts for New York Magazine's Vulture Pop Culture section, which is one of my favorite corners of the

internet. Nick, hey, how you

doing? I'm, you know, I'm hanging in there, like about everybody else. It also appears to be

that I have started taking everybody else's cliches and internalizing it. I am gardening.

I am doing more crafts projects. I have tried to improve myself. I'm considering

buying chicks. I've had the whole shebang. Everything is, it's happening to me right now.

Well, I'm glad you're you're leaning into it, I guess. Oh, absolutely. I know no other way.

Okay, so I asked you to come up with some suggestions for folks.

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