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The Times of Israel Daily Briefing

Podcaster Mitch Ginsburg: Escape from Tehran, an untold 1979 Israeli caper

The Times of Israel Daily Briefing

The Times of Israel

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4.51.1K Ratings

🗓️ 16 January 2026

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to What Matters Now, a weekly podcast exploring key issues currently shaping Israel and the Jewish World, with host deputy editor Amanda Borschel-Dan speaking with Israel Story producer Mitch Ginsburg.

On February 20, 1979, the last 33 Israelis returned from Tehran upon the forced closure of the Israeli embassy. After the rise of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khoumeini's new regime, the Israeli trade mission's location was given over to the Palestine Liberation Organization, whose supporters immediately stormed the building.

In today's episode, we relay the untold saga of the derring-do that saw these final Israeli officials back to the Jewish state.

A story of four chapters, Ginsburg narrates the tale through the eyes of the Tehran embassy's military attache, Brigadier General Itzik Segev.

Hear how they walk the plank, assume false identities and eventually meet up with the American delegation, which was also fleeing the country.

Our conversation is followed by the complete episode of Ginsburg's recent Israel Story installment, "Frankly, My Deer," which tells the tale of the final and frantic days of the Shah’s regime, when an unlikely Israeli envoy — a cross between David Attenborough and Jason Bourne — landed in Tehran. His secret mission was to bring back something certain powerful people in Israel sorely wanted.

And so this week, we ask Mitch Ginsburg what matters now.

What Matters Now podcasts are available for download on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. This episode was produced by the Pod-Waves.

IMAGE: In this December 10, 1978 file picture, demonstrators hold up a poster of exiled Muslim leader Ayatollah Khomeini during an anti-shah demonstration in Tehran at the Shayah monument which was built to commemorate the monarch's rule and symbol of his power. (AP Photo/Michel Lipchitz)

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Times of Israel's What Matters now, a weekly podcast diving into one issue

0:09.7

facing Israel and the Jewish world right now.

0:12.8

I'm your host, deputy editor Amanda Borschal Dan, joined by producer at Israel's story, Mitch

0:20.0

Ginsburg, who was also our former military correspondent.

0:24.6

So Mitch, it's always a pleasure to speak with you.

0:27.4

Yeah, wonderful to talk to you too. Thanks so much.

0:29.8

It is. And we are going to kind of do the time warp today, and we're going to look back

0:35.8

at pre-revolution Iran from a very different angle.

0:41.6

Now, Israel Story released an episode called Frankly My Deer, that was the name of it, right

0:46.5

mid, that dove into a really crazy story of how fallow deer found themselves transported just before the revolution in Iran from Iran

0:58.9

to Israel. And that episode, like all the Israel Story episodes, is beautifully curated, beautifully

1:06.0

scored. It's sensual. It's sensory. It's an amazing adventure to listen to this.

1:11.9

But we're going to take some of the material that wasn't in the episode and dive into that here.

1:19.1

So all of that and more when we're back.

1:22.6

This is Israel's story.

1:25.7

He could feel the ticking of the clock.

1:28.7

On their nightly debrief calls, General Segev, the military at Dishay, was sounding increasingly anxious.

1:35.7

Both men knew that with each passing day, the window of opportunity was closing.

1:40.5

The Shah's regime was crumbling, and El Al flights were having ever more trouble landing.

1:45.5

And then suddenly, Avramkotafonkel from Iran...

1:48.9

It was the prince himself, who said,

1:51.3

I'm in a few days leaving the country, because there is a revolution here.

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