Podcast 'Think Twice' and the complicated legacy of Michael Jackson

Bullseye with Jesse Thorn

Jesse Thorn

Society & Culture

4.5 • 2.6K Ratings

🗓️ 30 June 2023

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

The podcast Think Twice examines one of the toughest subjects in American pop culture: Michael Jackson. Not just his biography or his art, but what he means. The greatest pop music icon ever. An avatar of the complexity of race in America. And of course, an accused child molester. How do we deal with all these things? How should we? What do we remember? What have we forgotten? Think Twice asks these questions. The show is hosted by journalist Leon Neyfakh and writer Jay Smooth. Leon and Jay join us to talk about Think Twice and the complicated legacy of Michael Jackson. Content Warning: This interview discusses the allegations that Michael Jackson abused children. If you or someone you're listening with might be sensitive to that, we wanted to give you a heads up.

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0:00.0	Bullseye with Jesse Thorn is a production of MaximumFun.org and is distributed by NPR.
0:21.4	It's Bullseye, I'm Jesse Thorn.
0:23.8	My next guests are Leon Nayfok and Jay Smooth.
0:28.2	Leon Nayfok is a journalist, a radio host and a writer as well as a podcaster.
0:33.5	He was the creator and original host of the Monster Hit Podcast Slow Burn.
0:39.7	Jay Smooth is a writer and DJ.
0:42.7	He founded the longest running hip hop radio show in New York, Underground Railroad,
0:47.5	which ran for decades on WBAI.
0:50.4	He's also a pioneering video blogger with incredible insights into race and culture.
0:56.4	The two of them have a new podcast called Think Twice.
0:59.3	It's about one of the toughest and most important subjects in American culture.
1:04.7	Michael Jackson.
1:06.8	Not just his biography or his art, but what he means, the greatest pop music icon ever,
1:15.3	an avatar of the complexity of race in America, and of course, an accused child blister.
1:23.2	How do we deal with all these things?
1:24.8	How should we?
1:26.4	What do we remember?
1:27.4	What have we forgotten?
1:28.7	Think twice, ask those questions.
1:32.7	And look, maybe it's self-evident.
1:34.9	I want to mention that we are going to talk about the allegations that Jackson abused
1:39.3	children, so if that is a difficult subject for you, please be forewarned, we'll also
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