We got John Cooper from the band's skillet with us, man.

I appreciate you coming in.

It has been more than a minute since you and I have talked.

And we both, we've both grown up a little, you know?

Our kids are getting older.

Yeah, and we're very mature now.

Yes, we're both very, very mature.

Yeah, I used to describe the skillet's music

as very meatloafian.

It was a phrase I coined after the drama and intensity

and passion of skillet music based on meatloaf, the singer.

And then we recently lost meatloaf.

Like, and as a musician, has there been another musician

that has passed away that you kind of went, oh, man, that stinks.

I'm really bummed about that.

Lots, and it's funny, isn't it?

Because, you know, everybody listening to this

is going to know what it's like.

You feel sometimes as cheesy as it sounds.

Even if you don't know these people,

you feel like you know these people.

Right.

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