Hello. Welcome to podcast in a tree. It's a podcast in a tree. My name is Tim Bet.

My name is Gail Montgomery and we have just climbed a pretty small climb really. Only

a couple of metres. Well, where we have perched is quite high off the ground but to get

here feels quite safe. It's a beautiful old Pahuta Karwa tree native to New Zealand in

our Grayland Park Auckland New Zealand. My home. This park time. This specific tree. Incredible.

I've always thought you lived in the house in which I visited you. So I suppose.

Knowledge is power. So this is our inaugural episode which is a fancy word for first and

what is the root of an Orgral? Where does that come from? Is Orgral your last? You'd always

guessed, guess, lesson. Orgral. This is our orgral episode. Our orgral episode would be any episode

after the first or would it be the last? It's really difficult for me to say and this is also

you've immediately highlighted a vulnerability I feel here. Usually access to technology, the ability

to amend any gaps in my far reaching and almost unblemished knowledge of the world. But um,

well without the internet I'm only rolling with what I've already got upstairs and it does not

feel good. This is a big part of why we wanted to get in the tree. Get away from it all. The

distance literally might only be sort of what we call that. Two and a half metres from the ground

or for our imperial listeners, a mile I think. But the distance from the trappings of modern life

which seem to get in the way of enjoying nature gone. It's vast. Yeah, it's at least two miles away.

What from metaphorically? I'd say even further. I'd say um, the distance I feel between how I am

and who I am up here in this tree and how I am and who I am when I'm tethered to the world is

it's unknowable. It's indescribable. The chaos is so big. Yeah, it's sort of the size of space.

It's the distance that keeps growing. The longer you're offline, the further away you grow.

It's a combination of things as well. There's a small element of danger about the whole thing.

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