What's up everybody welcome to podcast beyond episode three 12 we've

lived through 311 we made it to the other side of 311 yeah yeah now the

countdown to 316 begins okay and I'm very excited yeah it's good to you all

awesome yeah I'm one of your host Greg Miller alongside he only does

everything call Moriarty hello Greg we have a good one today we we have a

weird one you went I left the podcast for one week and I come back and there's

you killed Goldfarb yeah no more Goldfarb and now you got a million people in

the office yeah so you know I like indie games a lot of course indie games

that we don't even really know what the fuck that means anymore but I talked to

Sony about getting some indie devs in here some indie devs we really like

and we like their games to just talk about the situation with Sony and working

with Vita and PS3 and PS4 and also their experience working with some other

indie games and we're gonna do like a little 20-minute interviews so starting

special podcast beyond it it is a special podcast we have and we're starting off

with a great with one of the greats in the indie scene I think person I'm

known for quite a lot of time a great guy Mel Kirk one of the great one of

the greats okay yeah so so Mel's from Zen Studios and you know Zen Studios for a

bunch of games but I think Zen Pinball yeah slash pinball effects I guess

right everything yeah Marvel pinball Star Wars pinball pinball pinball

there yeah but other games too you guys did just did kickbeat we were just

talking about that before the show started and talk about this you don't know about

anything just pinball and you know you know we've been working with Zen for a

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