Welcome in to the Subconscious Mind Mastery podcast again, Thomas Miller. Thanks for joining us. We are going to roll out another interview with Fred Dodson. This is the one that I think in the eight years that I've been affiliated with Fred, I've been looking forward to the most. We're talking about a book called The Levels of Heaven and Hell.

Now, many of you, like me and you know my story from listening to this podcast, that I grew up in a belief system that mandated if you did not receive Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord during this lifetime that you were going to go

to a hell of eternal damnation, eternal, as in forever. Fred is going to specifically address that

in this podcast. But the book, which is now available, of course, on audiobook, is called The Levels of Heaven and Hell, and in this podcast. But the book, which is now available, of course, on audiobook, is called

The Levels of Heaven and Hell. And in this, Fred explores the concept of hell as both a physical

and spiritual place and the concept of heaven as the same, but from a composite perspective of all of the belief systems around the world.

And I'm not just talking about the major five. I'm talking about how tribes in South America view heaven and hell.

Because, I mean, aren't they people too? And don't they count?

So it's like this amazing 10,000 foot perspective that then zooms right on down into exactly what Fred believes heaven and hell might be.

So if you grew up under a specific belief system, and I know there are many represented in this podcast audience, that mandated some kind of fundamental belief about what happens after we die, I hope that this will give you much greater insight from this book and the audio book and this interview. So Fred,

welcome back. Thank you, Thomas. So you've written a book about heaven and hell, the levels of

heaven and hell. And in the book, you said that this is the fourth in the series of the levels of

energy books. There's book one, which of course

established that basically all of our emotions are on a scale, a numerical scale, and that we can

measure that. Like if I'm mad, that's a lower level of energy. Angry, if I'm jealous.

If I'm joyful and peaceful and loving, that's a higher level, five hundreds.

How does this correlate to heaven and hell?

Well, if everything is in levels and frequencies and vibrations, it follows that there is even lower and even higher.

And traditionally, we've called that heaven and hell.

The purpose of the book was to show that this concept of heaven and hell or lower and lower, and lower, higher, higher, higher, is present in all cultures and all traditions around the world.

It's not just limited to one place or one religion.

Why did you write a book on these two places in our afterlife?

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