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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Pod Save America’s Jon Favreau on Trump’s first year, the GOP’s “rot,” and the left’s failures

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 2 January 2018

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

Jon Favreau was President Obama’s chief speechwriter. In those days, he was a frequent critic of the political media, frustrated, as many in the Obama administration were, with its focus on conflict, on ephemera, on appearing even-handed even when reality was persistently skewed. Today, Favreau is changing the media from the inside. He’s a co-host on Pod Save America, and co-founder of Crooked Media, both of which have seen tremendous growth in 2017. In this conversation, we look back on 2017, talk through the first year of the Trump White House (“a day-to-day shitshow”); the Democrats he’s watching for 2020; the mechanics of building a podcast empire; Favreau’s concern about the left (“we need to take the time to persuade other people of what we believe”); and the rot in the Republican Party. To Favreau, the right-wing media is “the real center of gravity in that party; it’s not the Republicans in Congress, it’s not even really Donald Trump, although I guess you could say that he is, in some ways, a creation of that media machine.” Books: What Happened by Hillary Clinton The News: A User’s Manual by Alain de Botton All the Truth is Out by Matt Bai Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

The foundation of democracy is persuasion.

0:03.4

All of it is based around this belief

0:05.9

that you can persuade or try to persuade others.

0:08.8

Trump doesn't care about that.

0:10.5

Trump cares about power.

0:12.4

Hello, welcome to the Asher Clancho.

0:17.2

I am Ezra Klein.

0:18.2

This is a show on the Vox Media podcast network,

0:20.2

one of America's greatest podcasting networks.

0:22.2

But today on the show, I have the head of one of America's other great podcasting networks,

0:28.2

crooked media.

0:29.2

So John Favreau is the former head speedwriter for President Obamac.

0:34.2

And I'm going to be a little bit more honest with you.

0:36.2

I'm going to be a little bit more honest with you.

0:38.2

So John Favreau is the former head speedwriter for President Obama.

0:43.0

He is also the host or co-host of Pod Save America and one of the founders of crooked media,

0:48.2

which has had a meteoric rise in the podcasting and now the digital publishing space.

0:53.2

A very, very smart guy.

0:54.2

I've known him for a number of years.

0:56.2

And this was a lot of fun as a conversation out.

0:58.2

We talk about the Republican Party and how his views on that have changed from coming in

1:02.2

with a sort of optimistic view with President Obama to having a pretty grim view

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