From WNYC Studios. I'm Brian Lerer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Tuesday,

January 21st. So you've been hearing in the news coverage here and in your other feeds about

the many things President Trump has been doing during

his first 24 hours or so in office. We're not going to start with a long intro that repeats the

list or the most inflammatory clips, but obviously we now have pardons or get out of jail free cards

known as commutations for even the most violent January 6th convicts.

We have border and energy emergency declarations with all kinds of implications and more.

We'll dive into some specifics as we go.

But we will lead with kind of a day two question.

Now that Trump is often running as aggressively as promised,

what's the right thing for Democrats to do or anyone else who's upset by these things?

What to support? Because after all, Trump ran on many of these things and he won the election.

What to oppose, even if they're popular because people just think they're bad for others,

when to call him a fascist or not, what to propose of their own.

And how to oppose what they do oppose?

So many news articles have noted there is no resistance 2.0 in the mode of, say, the women's march that greeted Trump

immediately upon the start of his first term. So with us for this are two former Barack Obama

AIDS who launched the popular podcast, Pod Save America, after Trump was elected the first time.

They are John Lovett and John Favreau.

John Favreau was director of speechwriting for President Obama and also hosted the podcast, The Wilderness.

John Lovett was a speechwriter for Obama, Hillary Clinton as a senator, and Clinton as a 2008

presidential candidate. He also hosts the podcast, Love It or Leave It,

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