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Welcome to Wired Politics Lab, a show about how tech is changing politics.

I'm Leah Feiger, the senior politics editor at Wired.

And today on the show, we have two of the Pod Save America co-hosts, John Favreau and Tommy Vitor.

John and Tommy, thank you so much for coming on Wired Politics Lab.

Thanks for having us.

Thank you for having us, yeah.

And congratulations on your new book, Democracy or Else, How to Save America in Ten Easy Steps.

It's out this week.

Listeners, go check it out.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So just to hop right in, when I was reading it this weekend, I was really interested in the connection and feedback loop between outlets like Fox News and right-wing radio with election conspiracies and other misinformation and disinformation.

How are you already seeing those dynamics play out in this cycle?

I mean, right now you're seeing basically every single day on Twitter or, I don't know, TikTok, pick a platform, some video of Joe Biden looking old and confused. And a lot of them are not AI deep fakes. A lot of them are just kind of cropped or edited in a certain way that strips out context and makes him look bad. But it is an incredibly challenging thing for the Biden campaign to deal with, and it's a constant problem.

I think what makes it even harder to this cycle is just the way that the media and information environments have changed is that it's just much harder to keep track of everything that's out there.

And so it's not like the days when, okay, Fox News is starting a conspiracy and you can

trace it to a couple different podcasts and then that's it. Now it could be a TikTok that's gone

viral that is just completely under the radar and no one's talking about it. And if you're not

checking the right telegram channels, you don't know exactly what's coming from. Yeah, no,

I talked to a lot of pollsters and they say like WhatsApp groups now are the big, especially in the Latino community, there's just a lot of misinformation, disinformation being spread on WhatsApp groups, which are like impossible for a campaign or anyone to really like track down.

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