Welcome to Pod Meets Twirled, a podcast from two guys who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the Stars, but took it on and walked away experts.

So now we turn to traitors.

Another show I've never seen,

but Will is convinced that he could win.

We are Will Friedel and Ryder Strong.

Two best friends, one a TV expert,

one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars.

Join us as we step into a castle full of lies,

alliances, and over-the-top wardrobe choices.

This is Podmeets Twirled, trading places. How's it going, Will? It's going well, Ryder. How are you?

I'm good. We are so deep into traders because these three episodes drop right in a row.

Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like I've already seen a whole season of a reality show.

They suck in.

They suck in.

And it's a little, especially after three, it's a little exhausting.

Yeah.

It's, well, there's a lot of characters.

I mean, I feel like as much as we've already talked for two hours about the first two episodes, we still haven't covered, like, we've mostly focused on four people. Right. There's a whole... But I think that's normal with a lot of... I think with a lot of reality shows. Well, I mean, you watch Survivor, or is it the same kind of thing? you-some-odd people and you go from there? Yeah. Yeah. Well, Survivor has like, you know, tribes. So there's a distinct sense of like, oh, well, there's three tribes to begin with you. Or two, at least. Sometimes there's three. But you get a sense of those tribal personalities and whether they're succeeding or not together as a group.

So it's more about like which group dynamic do you identify and think is cool or interesting or

whatever. Whereas in this case, you know, besides when they got in those boats in the first

episode, there hasn't been really a reason to group together.

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