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Right, coming up on today's episode then, it's a Wednesdays, so it must be PMQ's, but

no PM today at Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer attending Betty Boothroyd's funeral, the

speaker who died, the former speaker who died a couple of weeks ago. So it's the deputies,

it's Dominic Barb versus Angela Wayne, so that's coming up in just a moment, Tim Shipman

live, pausing the action. Before that, as we always do, we kick off of our columnist

panel on Wednesday, it must be Haliburt.

The columnists with Aliburt, Alice Thompson and Robert Crampton on Times Radio.

Very good morning to Haliburt, it's morning, Alice Thompson.

Morning.

Morning, that Charlie.

Nice to see nobody does that. I always give everyone else's full name.

Nobody over says that. Anyway, it's nice to both here.

We are, let's talk about gambling. It's an amazing story this week about William Hill being

fined a record 19.2 million pounds by the gambling commission for widespread and alarming social

responsibility and anti-money laundering failures. I mean, it's pretty bad. And Alice,

you've written your column about it about just how, the many stats, which really let out

for me in your column today, the fact that the British gambling industry is bigger than America.

That's what's extraordinary. So I didn't realize we had the biggest online gambling industry in

the world. We are very good at it. And that is because we're so liberal. So in 2005, when we had,

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