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maturely. It's Wednesday, so it must be PMQ's unpacked coming up. We pause the action live

from the House of Commons to analyse the key exchanges between Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer.

We've had it for a couple of weeks, so it's nice to have that back. But first, of course, we kick off

that columnist panel. It's Crampon. That's Robert Crampton and Alice Thompson.

Let's talk, first of all, about borders and why it seems to be even in the all-new re-booted

Boris Johnson that we've seen in 2021. Borders still seems to be the blind spot. We've had lots more

caution, you know, locked tough, locked down, slow in study, setting data, not dates and all of

that sort of stuff. And yet, borders still seem to be the problem, whether it's letting the Indian

variant in or some confusion on whether or not tourists could be let out of Britain. Why are we so

bad on borders, do you think Robert? I don't know, but the confusion is extraordinary, isn't it?

I mean, there's got a minister saying, someone's just saying it's okay to go anywhere. So I'm saying

you can go and see friends on the amber list. Some saying you shouldn't go, Bethel saying, don't go

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