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Politics Unpacked

PMQs: The Robbins Files

Politics Unpacked

Anna Covell

Politics, News & Politics, News

4.11.4K Ratings

🗓️ 22 April 2026

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Sir Keir Starmer claims that the evidence given by Olly Robbins "puts to bed all the allegations" he was dishonest about Peter Mandelson's vetting process as Kemi Badenoch calls on him to stand down over the scandal. 


Hugo Rifkind is joined by Ed Vaizey and Fraser Nelson to unpack the exchanges in the commons. 



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0:00.0

PMQ's unpacked on Times Radio, unpacking the politics and cutting through the crossfire.

0:07.3

And I'm joined this week by Times columnist Fraser Nelson. Hello Fraser. Hi. How are you keeping?

0:12.4

Very well, thank you. Looking forward to this Stramash. Good to have you here. And by our very own Ed Vasey. Hello, Ed.

0:17.8

Hello. You arrived at two hours early despite the obstacle of tube strikes. Do you not know when PMQs happens?

0:22.6

You never take a risk with a tube strike.

0:24.6

So I had to get a lime bike across London and I thought if I leave it too late and there are no line bikes, that's it.

0:30.6

I love that line bikes have meant that strikes, I'll know if you're Londoners now.

0:34.6

You can get anywhere you want in my city with your green steed.

0:36.6

Absolutely. See, having come in on my own e-bike, sorry, we are meant to be talking about PMQs, but this is much more interesting. Having come in on my own e-bike that I come in most mornings of the week anyway, I really mind Cheapstrikes because there's so many people on line bikes who do know what they're doing, don't know what they're doing on the roads, and they become quite the hazard. Yes, you leave your battery on your desk as well. I do. I do leave my battery. So nobody can cycle it away.

0:57.3

It's good for you to call it my desk. doing on the roads and they become quite the hazard. Yes, you leave your battery on your desk as well.

0:54.5

I do. I do leave my bag. So nobody can cycle it away. It's good for you to call it my desk rather than our desk. How are you finding it sitting here in the studio in what you must regard as your studio in the wrong seat? I just, I feel it's an honour. Right. Because I'm very much your sidekick. I'll take it. So look, PMQ is kicking off in a moment.

1:13.0

Kirstama, it's probably going to be accused of I'm very much your sidekick. I'll take it.

1:31.3

So look, PMQ is kicking off in a moment. Kirstarmer, it's probably going to be accused of bullying Olly Robbins into appointing Peter Mandelson and then scapegoating him for it afterwards. The question is whether Labour MPs are going to agree with that characterisation. Pat McFadden, as I said, one of Starmes's most loyal allies repeatedly refused to say that he thought Starmes' decision to Sack Robbins was reasonable.

1:38.5

Do you think, Fraser, that faith in Stama, even within Labour, even within the front bench, is kind of nearing breaking point?

1:42.0

It's very interesting. This is what did for Boris Johnson in the end.

2:01.6

It wasn't a rebellion as such. It was just that his cabinet members and his ministers just stopped defending him. They stopped going on radio and batting for him when they thought number 10 would take the rug from under their feet at any moment. And that was when it become unviable. Boris Johnson wasn't able to find cabinet members to serve in his government. So that's why his government collapsed. So if it is a model here, what do you do when the prime minister's authority has collapsed, even amongst his own

2:06.1

cabinet? He becomes a kind of undead, a zombie prime minister. Now, but of course, as the Tories

2:11.3

found out, it isn't a case of, okay, this can't possibly go on. You need to think of a better

2:16.1

replacement. They should have thought,

2:18.0

would this trust be better? If not, maybe let's not get rid of Boris Johnson. Now, Labour needs to think

2:23.2

right now, would Ed Miliband be better? Would Angela Rainer be better? Because those are the alternatives.

2:29.3

Unless you think there are, then there isn't really an alternative to backing the Prime Minister.

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