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🗓️ 4 June 2025
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After five years and something like 150 episodes, Tim Shipman is leaving the Sunday Times and the podcast. What has he learned from unpacking all those exchanges at PMQs?
He hands over to Times chief political commentator Patrick Maguire, and with Hugo they unpack the exchanges between Keir Starmer and Kemi Badenoch - as the PM refuses to be drawn on plans to end the two child benefit cap.
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0:00.0 | Yes, it's time for PMQ's unpacked and I'm joined as always by the Sunday Times as |
0:09.3 | Chief-Pettor commentator Tim Schumann. Hello Tim. Hello, Hugo. But for the last time, |
0:13.3 | today is his last. He's leaving the paper for a little known weekly periodical, strange career move. |
0:17.9 | Tim, we'll talk about what, later, about what, if anything, you've learned sitting there |
0:21.8 | with your head in your hands for the last five years, |
0:24.1 | giving, I would say, frankly, epic and unprecedented amount of eye rolls, |
0:28.3 | which are, of course, perfect for radio. |
0:30.4 | Certainly in recent weeks. |
0:31.8 | But we're also passing the PMQ's unpacked chains of office |
0:36.0 | from chief political commentator to chief political |
0:38.3 | commentator and here also is Patrick McIntyre hello Patrick good afternoon you go this is a solemn |
0:43.1 | moment do you like the look of these imaginary chains of office they're they hang heavy |
0:47.7 | on my frame but uh I will grow in your frame's coping to be yeah exactly it's uh it's it's |
0:53.6 | big enough to uh to cope with the load. |
0:55.0 | Look, obviously they will understand, Tim, in the House of Commons that this is going to be your last PMQ's unpacked. |
1:01.0 | Are you expecting either Kirstarmor or Kemi Badernock to mention it? |
1:04.0 | No, I'm not is, I'm hoping Kemmy goes out in style for me and gives one of her most erratic |
1:14.2 | and irrational performances. Well, I mean, I'm so amazed at her ability to be both, as you say, |
1:20.7 | erratic and irrational, will also not being that much fun, you know, you'd imagine a bit more |
1:25.2 | flair. Yeah, I mean, mean you know politics normally divides into the deeply |
1:29.3 | dull and serious and the um yeah the flare players who were all over the shop um not not quite sure |
1:35.5 | if she's got the balance well as a reminder for uh for anyone listening who wants to watch as well |
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