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Politics Unpacked

PMQs: Labour's 'Civil War'

Politics Unpacked

Anna Covell

News & Politics, Politics, News

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 12 November 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Kemi Badenoch tells the Prime Minister he's lost control of Downing Street, and his government has "descended into civil war."


Hugo Rifkind unpacks the exchanges from Prime Minister's Questions with Patrick Maguire and Gabriel Pogrund.


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0:00.0

PMQ's Unpacked on Times Radio, unpacking the politics and cutting through the crossfire.

0:07.3

Yes, indeed, it is PMQ's unpacked, where we pulls and analyse the action from the House of Commons Chamber as Kemi Badenok takes on Kirste Stama.

0:13.6

And it's going to be a big one as it comes in the hours after allies of the Prime Minister told Patrick McGuire that Kier Stamma was ready to take on critics of his leadership.

0:21.6

It reminded us of this. It is time to put up or shut up. Yeah, that was John Major there on the very day of my A-level politics exam, somewhat ruining that morning, I would say. Did you know, Hugo? You can't talk yet. Oh, sorry, sorry. You're not even here. We'll find out whether Kevin Badenock will be able to make hay with Kirstarmer's troubles.

0:40.6

And look, we're going to be talking about that story that involved Patrick McGuire. Who's here but, spoiler, Patrick McGuire. Hello, sorry, I was just about to say the day he said put up or shut up was the day I was born. Was it really? You know what? I feel we've discussed this before and I hated hearing that last time as well. Patrick and I are also joined by if one Labour expert Labor Walk the show wasn't enough. Sunday Times Whitehall head to Gabriel. Hello Gabriel. Hello. How are you? I'm well. Good to have you both here. My cup runneth over. It's a rare sighting of us in the wild. I had sort of suspected that you might be the same person.

1:12.7

I hadn't really Look you can also watch us on the Times Radio

1:13.5

YouTube channel if you want to see us as well as

1:15.5

Hear Us shaking our heads in disbelief

1:17.6

Patrick let's start with this

1:20.0

You know the story that sort of like set the agenda

1:21.6

Of the day

1:24.1

You were first with this story

1:24.9

You told it on the podcast with Gabriel

1:26.1

The state of it

1:27.5

Explain what happened and how this has all unfolded since

1:28.2

Well look I speak like set the agenda of the day. You were first with this story. You told it on the podcast with Gabriel, the state of it. Explain what happened and how this has all unfolded since. Well,

1:30.8

look, I spent Monday speaking to four people who were very close to the Prime Minister about

1:31.0

challenges to his leadership. And this idea that he would fight a leadership election first

1:35.3

arose in a conversation I had yesterday morning. And it was brought up fairly proactively.

1:41.1

And the message was he knows he's in trouble.

1:46.7

He will fight any leadership election they try and trigger.

1:50.0

And the message was basically come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.

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