PMQ's unpacked on Times Radio, unpacking the politics and cutting through the crossfire.

Yes, it's time for PMQ's unpack, where we pause and analyse the exchanges at Prime Minister's questions.

I'm joined by Sunday Times while. Hello, to Gabriel Pogran. Hello, Gabriel.

Hello. Great to be joined by you. And a very special guest, Sir David Liddington. He was Cabinet Office Minister, Chancellor of Duchy of Lancaster, and the title you're most known for David, as course, Theresa May's de facto Deputy Prime Minister. No, absolutely. Good to be here. Well, great to have you. I mean, you have deputised at PMQs many, many times. Yeah, I wouldn't say

many, many, but there were several occasions when I, when I was in deputizing because

Theresa was away at some international summit that she couldn't get out of. And you're always

slightly terrified. I mean, I used to find that when I'd, I was fine sleeping the night

before, but when I'd done PMQs, the adrenaline was surging so much. I learned after the first

time when I couldn't sleep the following night, just to go and couldn't sleep at all. And I, so

thereafter, when I stood in for Theresa, I would, after PMQs, make sure that that afternoon or evening, I went to the gym and I either had an extremely strenuous workout or I hit a punchbag very hard.

The secret that will go to the grave of it is exactly whose portrait was on a punchback at the time.

We have a clip from your first ever PMQ's in December 2016.

I remember this, I was in the gallery.

Emily Thornberry was putting the questions to you.

Does the government want the UK to stay in the customs union?

I mean, the Honourable Lady and I, she's right, Mr. Thubourable Lady and I, she's right, Mr. Siddick, the Honourable Lady and I both

argued passionately for the Remain cause during the referendum.

What separates us now is that I am part of a Conservative government which is working

together to respect the democratic verdict.

Fond memories, David, or traumatic?

I mean, I think I'm really pleased to have done it. I mean, I remember when I finished that

first session with Emily Thornbury, the two thoughts that went through my head simultaneously were, thank God that's over, and there's not many people who've done this.

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