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Dr. Joe Wigney is our guest.

He's the pastor at Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho. He's written eight books, the aforementioned sin of empathy. And now the book, leadership and emotional sabotage. Take us back to why this is necessary. What does emotional sabotage have to do with leadership?

Of agitation and angst and turmoil and disruption.

Everybody, I think, feels a sense that no one's in control and that things are running all

different ways.

And as a result, the leaders who are meant to act as the shock absorbers for society

can easily begin to abdicate their responsibility to steward their institutions. That happens in

homes. It happens in churches. It happens in schools. And it happens in nations. And so in that book,

I'm seeking to kind of diagnose that problem. What are its roots?

Why do we feel like we're sitting on this powder keg and then to offer solutions?

What does it mean to be courageous and sober-minded in the midst of this agitation?

And the basic paradigm I offer there is that we live in a society that has become drunk on

passions.

Passions are emotions, are immediate and instinctive emotions, when you see something good,

you want it, when you see something scary, you fear it.

When you see something sad, you grieve it.

And our passions, we can become drunk on them.

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