It's that time.

that time.

Lock and load.

The Michael Vary Show is on the air. Several years ago Cheryl Atkinson at the time was at CBS, started revealing things about what was going on in the government and then crazy things started happening to her

and she wrote a book about it and in fact we invited her to Houston she came out to the RCC

listeners came out bought the RCC, the listeners came out, bought her book, loved it. And we have watched her grow from being an award-winning reporter for CBS to deciding, I'm not going to play the game of the mainstream media. I'm not going

to be afraid of big pharma. I'm not going to be afraid of big government and she is fearless which as you folks know is the

ultimate compliment I give someone she is back with a new book and it is an

honor to have her on I am an unabashed unashamed fan boy I think

she is the bees knees she is wonderful the book is called follow the Science. How Big Pharma

misleads, obscures, and prevails. Our guest is Cheryl Echson.

Welcome to the program.

Long. Talk, I still remember so fondly our time there with that first book I mean it was really a huge

plus for the launch of that and helped make it a big success.

I still thank you for that.

I really think it was the one thing that made it a success and really launched your

career.

I think it kind of was.

Oh, it was.

We went on the New York Times Best Seller list right after that.

I noticed the back of your book has praise from Michael Schellenberger, Megan Kelly, who I adore,

Jason Chaffetz, Paul Thacker, and Jay Batacharya, but there's no Michael Berry on there.

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