it's that time time time lock and load the michael very show is on the air

clifton duncan is our guest he is doing a new one-man show on the great Thomas Soul. When I asked the question, it was because I'm genuinely thinking about how I would do it if I were doing it. I don't have the acting skill you do, but I research people. I study them. I say I take them apart and put them back together. I'm fascinated by not just what people have to say, especially someone like Seoul who has so much to say,

but how they arrived at that.

You know, his experience with Milton Friedman and having been in Friedman's class at the University of Chicago,

and he says, but I left the class and I was still a liberal.

And he goes to work for the labor department.

And then he realizes that the labor department does not care about black people or employees, both of whom they claim to.

And that when he pointed out that the data was actually harmful to these people from what they were recommending that they said that doesn't matter and that was the moment that was his aha moment that was his his eureka oh my goodness these people don't believe anything they're saying and it it transformed him and he he went on to be the man he is today.

You know, I think that's just absolutely fascinating.

And that tells you, this man wasn't born into this, right?

I mean, I've made a transformation in my life from what I think and where I am.

And most of us have.

And in his, I think that will, I can, sorry, I'm thinking and planning this, this project for you.

I'm writing it in my head, Clifton, right now as, as we talk.

And, and I'm just imagining you have such a great opportunity to tell that.

It's just, that is, that is fantastic.

So what does it look like?

I mean, will this be a, will you go on tour?

Because if you do, we're coordinating Houston for you.

And all of our markets, for that matter.

But what do you envision this looking like?

Well, right now the plan is to spend the next six months developing, you know, researching

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