say that again, sorry. How would you describe what it is you do to people who might not be aware of it?

Yeah, well, I mean, I'm a survivor of the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church cult and I'm campaigning to bring public awareness as to what this group really does.

It has a very unpleasant criminal side under its Christian veneer and I'm basically using social media and every means available

just to draw awareness to that fact.

Cheryl, how are you? Nice to see you.

I'm doing good. Thanks for having me.

Oh, pleasure. How would you describe your role as well? I mean, I'm assuming that you both work in tandem to raise awareness.

Yeah, so I came out with what had happened to me in this early summer.

And since then, the amount of stories that landed on my lap of things that are going on still inside and people that have come forward to me,

really got me fired up to realize that we have to do something about this, that the longer that we stay silent and try and, you know, work on things ourselves is the stronger that this cult is getting.

And Richard, I never knew Richard before this. I found him through all the stuff that was being exposed with what had happened with him.

And I teamed up with him and a couple others and we've been staying strong with our foot on the gas pedal.

That's good to hear. So before we get into the specifics, I suppose, of your experiences.

Richard, maybe you could tell us a little bit about this particular call is denomination, obviously, it's related to Christianity, an offshoot of Christianity.

But how does it vary from a sort of mainstream understanding of Christianity?

What makes this particular cult so sort of sinister in that way?

Yeah, well, probably the easiest way to understand it is to, I mean, most people are familiar with Jehovah's Witnesses.

Very, very similar, just without the door knocking. So imagine a JW without knockers, you've pretty much got it.

They were formed at the same time, early 19th century, the same movement that produced Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons.

So it's kind of got this veneer of Christianity. And for the first kind of 150 years of its existence, it was just a fairly conventional, but strict, Protestant sect, if you like.

But they were very close. They were very introverted, not evangelical, fundamentalists, and they close themselves off from the outside society.

And then in the 60s, they kind of became radicalized in for much more cult-like organization, where the focus became on the leader of the church, rather than on God or normal Christian concepts.

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