All right. I'm Brett Kistler. I'm here today with Joe Hudson. Hey, Brett. Good to see you.

Yeah, you too. And this is the art of accomplishment, where we explore living the life you want with enjoyment and ease.

And today we're going to talk about something that a lot of us spend a lot of our lives chasing.

And also in many subtle ways throughout our lives we we push it away because it's

really intense and and that is pleasure i'm looking forward to this one this is good yeah yeah what

what makes pleasure interesting to talk about i remember early on in my journey i was reading

tichnacht hon and t Tichna Hahn was talking about

doing the dishes and how pleasurable doing the dishes was. And I hated doing the dishes.

It was like, you know, everybody has that one chore you don't want to do. I have maybe several

chores I don't want to do. But one of them, one of them was doing the dishes.

And you described this thing as like, oh, it's warm water, it's soapy. It's like this really

enjoyable experience. And so I went and did the dishes that way. And I was like, oh, wow,

this is incredibly pleasurable if I allow it to be. And then I kind of

realize what that's, all of life is incredibly pleasurable if I allow it to be. And so I started

experimenting with pleasure a lot. And I have continued to learn a tremendous amount about pleasure

through the years. Like even last year, next year, I assume I have continued to learn a tremendous amount about pleasure through the years. Like,

even last year, next year, I assume I'm going to learn a lot about it. But I remember just

experimenting and saying, how much pleasure can I extract from life? And the amazing thing about it was

that it wasn't what I thought it was going to be, right? I thought it was going to be like having sex all

the time or something, right? Like I would be chasing pleasure, like I'd be doing heroin or something like that. But if you're really chasing pleasure, it can't be something that you get when you do X, Y, and Z because you can't do X, Y, and Z all the time. If you're really chasing pleasure, it has to be able to be extracted from any given moment. Any moment. It's like, oh, where's the pleasure in this moment? And so that's what ended up happening. It was just like, oh, how do I take pleasure in this breath? How do I take pleasure in doing the dishes? How do I take pleasure in this walk? And when I did this for, I did this for several weeks.

And when I did this, what happened was I just started feeling safer.

Like that kind of constant tracking, that constant anxiety, that funny feeling in the back of my head that something's wrong just started

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