Playing Not to Lose vs. Playing to Win: The Shift That Changes Everything
Win Make Give with Ben Kinney
Ben Kinney Training
4.9 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 5 January 2026
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Summary
Many people think they're being responsible when, in reality, they're just playing defense. In this episode, Bob Stewart and Chad Hyams unpack the subtle but powerful difference between playing not to lose and playing to win—and how that mindset shows up in your money, career, leadership, and health.
You'll learn why fear often disguises itself as logic, the hidden costs of always playing it safe, and how to make the shift from protection to progress without being reckless. A practical, evergreen conversation designed to help you lead with intention, take smarter risks, and move forward with confidence.
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | And welcome to the Wind Make Give podcast with the background conversation of Bob Stewart, |
| 0:11.4 | letting us know there's something going on in his house. |
| 0:14.2 | Bob Stewart, how you doing? |
| 0:16.3 | My windows are really clean, Chad. |
| 0:18.4 | They sure are. |
| 0:19.4 | You are lit up in that home office there, Bob Stewart. |
| 0:23.1 | Inside, outside. |
| 0:24.6 | All the windows are clean. |
| 0:26.4 | It's that time of year where in Washington State, it might rain for weeks on end, |
| 0:33.7 | which is essentially what it's been doing here to us. |
| 0:35.8 | We've got bad flooding, record high |
| 0:37.7 | river levels, like all this like crazy flooding here in Washington. But it's also the time of year |
| 0:43.1 | where every once in a while, the sun will peek its little nose out. And when it does, you see |
| 0:49.3 | the results of what's been happening over the last three months, right? And so there's just, |
| 0:55.3 | your windows are dirty, rain's been pouring sideways here forever. And so this is about the time |
| 0:59.3 | a year where my wife's like, I can't stand looking out these windows anymore. So I do, |
| 1:04.0 | Chad, in the background, have some gentlemen moving around through the house, cleaning windows. |
| 1:09.0 | Folks, here's what I promise you for 2026 from the Win May Give podcast. |
| 1:14.7 | I will turn the recording on earlier than Bob thinks so you can catch some background |
| 1:19.8 | conversation maybe leading into the welcome. |
| 1:23.3 | Now we'll see a... |
| 1:23.6 | Yeah, you tricked me on this one. |
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