Hey, Polpa Chair.

It's tax on tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy.

Now it's turning out it's not just old people but just today and yesterday some startling

facts came out. It's not just old people.

Yeah, exactly.

It's going on and on.

Give me a moment of talking to somebody going through this with Fauci or somebody who

kind of caused a pivot in your mind because it's clear just from what's on the public

record that you went through a pivot on this to, oh my God, the gravity is almost inexplicable

and unexplainable.

Well, I think Bob really, to be honest with you, I want you to take it.

Sure, I want you to take it.

I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down because I don't want to create

a panic.

You know, I admit to being a bit of a jaded political observer in political parlance.

This ain't my first rodeo.

But Mike, I have to say, reading the words in that first Washington Post news story and

maybe most of all the impactful listening to Donald Trump say that is to me, both genuinely

surprising and deeply appalling.

He knew how bad this was.

Yeah, it is something.

I mean, I was first struck by just the theater of it before I pivoted around a revulsion,

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