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Americast

Playing Chicken in Kyiv

Americast

BBC

Politics, Government, News

4.22.8K Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2022

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Joe Biden defends his first year of presidency in a rare press conference, but his comment about a possible Russian invasion of Ukraine is what gets Emily and Jon scratching their heads. They speak to Elaine Kamarck, a former staffer to Vice-President Al Gore and President Bill Clinton, now with the Brookings Institution. She thinks Biden said more than he should have. Meanwhile, Anthony is travelling with Secretary of State Anthony Blinken to Ukraine, as the US makes a last ditch attempt at finding a diplomatic solution. He explains why there is no way there is going to be a shooting war between Americans and Russians over Ukraine. And we hear the latest on Donald Trump’s legal troubles: the Supreme Court has allowed the release of his presidential records to the committee investigating the 6 January assault on the Capitol – and it turns out his New York triplex isn’t quite as big as he said. Americast is made by Estelle Doyle and Phil Marzouk. The assistant editor is Alison Gee and the editor is Jonathan Aspinwall.

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0:00.0

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0:04.8

Russia will be held accountable if it invades,

0:07.9

and it depends on what it does.

0:09.4

It's one thing if it's a minor incursion,

0:12.2

and then we end up having a fight about what to do

0:14.5

and not do, et cetera.

0:16.0

But if they actually do what they're capable of doing

0:18.5

with the force of mass on the border,

0:20.7

it is going to be a disaster for Russia

0:23.6

if they further invade Ukraine,

0:26.4

and that our allies and partners

0:27.9

are ready to impose severe cost

0:30.5

and significant harm on Russia and the Russian economy.

0:35.2

And we're going to fortify our NATO.

0:37.1

If you can hear in the background

0:39.1

the sound of John Soaple scratching his head,

0:43.2

that's because he is.

0:44.8

Because it seems that Joe Biden,

0:47.3

in his first news conference in an age, has today said,

0:51.6

well, if Vladimir Putin wants to have a minor incursion,

0:56.2

invasion into Ukraine, well, that wouldn't be too bad, would it?

1:01.0

Yeah, it was quite a moment.

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