Hey, this is Durey and welcome to Potsy the People.

On this episode we're joined by Laura Bazelon to talk about her latest book,

rectify the power of restorative justice after wrongful conviction.

And what's so interesting about the use of restorative justice in the context of

a wrongful conviction is that everybody is a victim in a certain way.

The people who were horribly, horribly taken advantage of and had all these

things happen to them, they feel like perpetrators because they

participated unwittingly in this catastrophe which was the wrongful conviction.

And then we have the news with me, Briny Clinton, Sam, as usual.

You know, the thing on my heart right now is I was in my house and it was messy because I was

traveling, I'd like left really quick and so I came back home and it was closed from the

dry that I left on the table because I was gonna fold them and like, throw it off.

And what I did, I just took like a couple hours and I actually cleaned up.

I did all the laundry and like folded everything and putting where it's supposed to be

and like took the trash out and did all the things.

And I say that because what I normally do is like I just move things around like I'm like,

oh you know, I'll just put the polyglos over here, nobody's coming over anyway.

But there's so much sort of peace, freedom and power and actually putting things where they need

to go and actually like attacking the issue head on and like really cleaning up as opposed to

just moving things and hiding things. And I think about how I'm trying to go into 2019,

is there some things that I've just been putting off, I've been sort of moving them around,

I'm like, oh I'll do this, I sort of do this, instead of just like tackling it head on and

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