Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. I have the pleasure of sitting today with

return guest Chris Martinson, I should say Dr. Chris Martinson who is a good friend and has been on the

podcast before many will remember the joint podcast the Dark Peak Horse

Prosperity Podcast we did from Panama when we visited the Darien Gap with Michael

Jan.

We are on a very different topic today, although they all seem to be related in some odd fashion. Chris, welcome back to Dark Horse.

Brett, so good to be back with you. It's been a little, been too long. I know we're both very busy people,

but what a target rich environment for people who want to talk

about what's actually happening in the world it's hard to keep up.

Yes I would say I am increasingly focused on the various characteristics of what I have been calling the

Cartesian crisis. And what I've been noticing this week is that people's level of

confidence in their understanding of the world is more or less a constant as

the quality of their information and evidence

plummets. So it should be that people's confidence goes down, but it doesn't seem

to and that is resulting in chaos out in the lands where we try to make public sense of things.

So anyway.

Go ahead.

This has been troubling me a lot.

Nick who you just met before we started recording and I almost you know we we catch up on on orders of business because we work remotely from each other for a half hour, but almost an hour every morning is just WTF trying to make sense of this because we turn it we're both very logical rational

deductive people so we keep rotating this situation to try and make sense of it and

it's it's so difficult and here's my here's here's'm stuck. This is the horns of my

dilemma. On the one hand I'm a very skeptical contrarian sort of a person

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