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plants show up and grow into our conversation well there was Solomon Seal a very scepterian plant I learned.

Go to KOLA, a wonderful one for focus and awareness.

What else did we talk about plant-wise? I'm sure there was another that grew into our conversation,

but all in all, we speak about the ridiculous scene

with all the planets in Aquarius in the sky,

a bit on the retrograde, the overall zeitgeist,

the conversation meanders, you see, Cameron has a Gemini mood, like so many astrologers do.

I have a Gemini son, and when that contact is made. It always mixes and alchemizes into a wonderful conversation.

So I was very excited to really get to know Cameron. Like we've known of each other for a bit of time but we never had a chat and I thought

We need a plan some planets episode. It's been too long and so Cameron came on to just explore plants and

planets and wander about with me on that and so I think you're going to

enjoy the conversation I'm still in Madeira, I think four

months deep, our fourth place, our fourth Airbnb, with no end in sight with the UK having all corridors locked down we can't go back so I

guess I live in Madeira, Portugal now.

And it can be worse places.

This is true.

Yet I'm antsy to get back,

especially with this new book project with John and wooden books.

I need my library. I need a good desk. I need a build, a cabin.

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