To live an uncommon life one needs to learn uncommon discipline. Hey folks, welcome back. This is Mark Devine with the Unbeable Mind podcast. Super stoked to have you here today. This is going to be a really

interesting conversation for all of us because we're living in Vukk at times. You've

heard me talk a lot about that, volatile uncertain complex and ambiguous.

This COVID-19 election turmoil, boy, it's gonna be fascinating to see what happens

November, December. I'm strapping in and I'm sure you are as well.

And volatility and uncertainty complexity and ambiguity is something that military special

operators have learned to handle fairly well.

It's their new normal.

It's always been their normal, but now it's their new normal.

And we train for it relentlessly, and it's mostly an attitude in the mindset, but there's a lot of things you can do at an organizational and team level to prepare for volatility and to see through the complexity and all that and we're going to talk about that today with our two guests who come to us as founders or

founding principles of the Future Strategy Group. And Peter Kennedy and Joe, I'm going to blow it, Joe Defrain.

That's right, yes. Joe Defrain. That's right, yes.

Joe Defren are here to talk about how they help organizations

such as FEMA and NASA aeronautics

and the Department of State and other Fortune 500

companies really see through to the other side

of that complexity.

Get to the simplicity on the other side of the complexity and to make good decisions about the future.

Boy, don't we all need that in our lives right now?

Before I have them take a moment to introduce themselves a little bit further and we get into some kind of rich questions and answers or thought-provoking discussions about future thinking.

I would like to say that one of the ways that we think leaders can deal with

Vuka is to really unlock the power of their teams because when teams together are acting in a way that is spontaneous, they're

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