Hello and welcome to Best Laid Plans. This is your host, Sarah Hart Unger, and this is the podcast where we talk all things planning and planning adjacent.

Today is a fun Q&A episode, as well as an expanded planner piece segment because a listener

sent me such a large planner piece segment that it almost could have been his own episode

and yet I still feel compelled to share because there's so much gold in it. And I'm also going

to start off with a little bit of planner news. So my disclaimer before I begin this news segment is that I don't

feel like Best Laid Plans is the best podcast in which to get your kind of hot off the presses,

gossipy, juicy planner news. That title belongs to planners and wine, a podcast that I love

listening to. And so I have to say right off the bat that I got my news that I'm

sharing with you all from them. So if you want it first, you should also make sure you are

subscribed to the Planners and Wine podcast. The host Meg and Myra do a wonderful job of dissecting

the latest and greatest of what is happening within the planners sphere. And so I love them

for that. I just wanted to give them credit. Okay. The very first

piece of news I wanted to discuss is that Aaron Condren, who created the Aaron Condren brand of

planners, is no longer an owner in the company. She is completely disaffiliated herself, I'm a guessing,

with some sort of monetary handover. This all started back in 2020 when she had an act that was abhorrent to many members of the planning community.

I'm not going to go into details about what that act was, but there's plenty of information about that if you look it up.

And there's even a blog post about it on the Aaron Condren site itself because there's an apology and beyond.

But all that said, this is kind of the last step as I've seen her kind of retreat off of the

face in the company. They haven't shown her face or really talked about her in quite some time.

They hired a new CEO. And this is kind of the last step in that separation. And I think it's a

really good thing, as do the planners and wine ladies, because it's kind of the last step in that separation. And I think it's a really good thing,

as do the planners and wine ladies, because it's kind of like making good on the idea that

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