Welcome to Doctrine and Devotion. It's a podcast that... What do we do? It's a podcast that explores. That's what we do. We explore things. We're like explorers. You know? We're like Lewis and Clark.

Well, I was thinking Dora. Okay, we are probably Molly. Well, who's the way? You and I are in Dora. First of all, I'm Swiper. Okay, first of all, Swiper. You know Swiping. You can be the map. You're Boots.

You're Boots. Which one's Swiper? Boots is like the little monkey that she hangs out with. I'll take that. Okay, I'll take Boots. You can be Swiper. I'll be Swiper.

The map is the word of God. Okay, the map is the word of God. The map is the word of God. Okay.

And Dora, the church. Dora is the church. She represents the church. Okay, so hold on though. This sounds really... You know what? This analogy is not working now. It's not working because if Dora is the church and the word of God is the map.

Yeah. And Boots is me guiding the church. No, you're not guiding. You're just assisting. No, no. The map's the guide. Okay, I'm helping the church.

Help, help, help. Consulting. Yep, the church dancing. You're the one sabotaging. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm the one. First of all, I'm the platform celebrity pastor. So I'm Swiper. That's what we are.

That's how people think about it. Right? Right. Listen to this guy. He writes five pamphlets. Pamphlets that nobody reads.

I don't know if that's true. I still see people tagging. So I have a photo of someone asking you to sign.

First of all, the only reason that I said I wanted to be Swiper is because out of all of the annoying people on that show, I like Swiper's the most enjoyable.

Is backpack one? Is backpack an idol? And what? Is backpack a character? Of course, that's the one that's got backpack, backpack.

The backpack loaded up with things and nicknacks to anything that you might need. I've got insight for you backpack backpack. Oh my gosh. Yeah, man backpack. Is that really the song? Yeah, it's been so long.

So here's the thing. It's been so long for me. And you are longer for me. It's been longer for you. And yet because I got an iron trap for a brain, son.

I remember all the stuff. The important stuff. That's one of the important things. Yeah.

And you know, some of the lyrics are not that complicated. You know, some of those songs like like on the map.

I'm the map. I'm the map. I'm the map. I'm the map. I'm the map. I'm the man. That's the whole thing. So it's like, it's hard.

All right. All right. Okay. So Swiper is just more interesting. You know. Yes. Yes. That's why I chose him. But then we started to make it spiritual.

Yeah. We over-spiritualize that. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people do that. They take things of this world. They do. And just over-spiritualize over.

They overcook it. Over-cook it. We overcook that analogy. We overcook that analogy.

We overcook that analogy. Ruined the whole thing. That's it. We're not the other ones to do that. No. And then there's others that overcook it.

Yeah. They'll take an issue. They'll take something. They'll take an issue. And then they'll just they just kind of overcook it.

Yeah. You know, after a while. They just pull it and the vegetables get soggy.

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