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🗓️ 27 September 2025
⏱️ 50 minutes
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In this episode of Pioneers of AI, Jeffrey Katzenberg and ChenLi Wang of the venture capital firm WndrCo share why storytelling is essential for building transformative companies and how AI shapes their work.
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| 0:00.0 | Scaling a business in the US can feel like a maze. Each state has its own payroll, benefits, and compliance rules, pulling your focus away from growth, which is why founders use Deal. |
| 0:11.4 | Deal is the professional employer organization, or a PEO, that gives you a dedicated HR expert, plus Fortune 500 level benefits for your team. |
| 0:20.3 | The National Association of PEOs says |
| 0:23.1 | businesses can grow twice as fast if they use one. So if you're scaling, make it simple with deal. |
| 0:29.4 | Go to D-E-E-L.com slash M-OS and get up to three months free. |
| 0:35.0 | One of the patterns I've seen over and over and speaking with successful founders is this. |
| 0:40.9 | They don't wait for HR problems to show up. |
| 0:43.4 | They build solid systems early on so their company can grow without tripping over itself. |
| 0:50.1 | JustWorks is one of those systems. |
| 0:52.4 | JustWorks is the human resources platform that helps you scale without sacrificing your team's needs. |
| 0:58.8 | It handles automated payroll, benefits, compliance, even international hiring, so you can scale your team without slowing your momentum. |
| 1:07.9 | JustWorks secures your hiring systems so they don't cost you time, money, or people, |
| 1:13.1 | which is how you scale with confidence. JustWorks for your people. |
| 1:23.7 | Steve Jobs, one of the great storytellers I've ever come across. |
| 1:28.5 | He was a storyteller and a marketer and could share his dream with all of us in a way that we could |
| 1:35.1 | connect to, relate to, and understand something that we didn't really understand until it was in our hands. |
| 1:43.9 | That's Jeffrey Katzenberg, the legendary movie producer, co-founder and former CEO of DreamWorks, |
| 1:50.5 | and today, founding partner of Wonderco. |
| 1:53.4 | It's an investment firm on a mission to build world-changing businesses in the tech and |
| 1:58.3 | AI space. |
| 1:59.5 | He believes a good story is at the core of any successful |
| 2:03.1 | business. You know, storytelling is an essential fundamental ingredient every step of the way |
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