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The Audio Long Read

Pinker’s progress: the celebrity scientist at the centre of the culture wars – podcast

The Audio Long Read

The Guardian

Society & Culture

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 22 October 2021

⏱️ 50 minutes

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How the Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker became one of the world’s most contentious thinkers. By Alex Blasdel. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/longreadpod

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0:00.0

This is The Guardian.

0:30.0

Bialyx Blastel

0:32.0

Red by Christopher Rackland

0:34.0

and produced by Esther O'Poco-Geni.

0:38.0

On a recent afternoon, Stephen Pinker, the cognitive psychologist and bestselling author of

0:44.0

upbeat books about human progress, was sitting in his summer home on Cape Cod, thinking about

0:50.0

Bill Gates. Pinker was gearing up to record a radio series on critical thinking for the BBC,

0:56.4

and he wanted the world's fourth richest man to join him for an episode on the climate emergency.

1:02.4

People tend to approach challenges in one of two ways, as problem solving or as conflict.

1:09.8

Pinker, who appreciates the force of a tidy dichotomy, said,

1:14.3

you can think of it as Bill vs Greta, and I'm very much in Bill's camp.

1:20.8

A few weeks earlier, Gates had been photographed in Manhattan,

1:24.3

carrying a copy of Pinker's soon-to-be-published 12th book, Rationality, which inspired the BBC series.

1:31.8

We sinned it to his people, Pinker said.

1:35.5

Pinker is an avid promoter of his own work, and for the past 25 years, he has had a great deal

1:41.3

to promote. Since the 1990s, he has written a string of popular books on language, the mind,

1:47.9

and human behavior, but in the past decade, he has become best known for his counterintuitive

1:53.4

take on the state of the world. In the shadow of the financial crisis, while other authors were

1:59.4

writing books about how society was profoundly broken, Pinker took the opposite tag,

2:05.3

arguing that things were, in fact, better than ever. In the better angels of our nature,

2:12.5

published in 2011, he gathered copious amounts of data to show that violence had declined across

2:18.4

human history, in large part because of the emergence of markets and states. Understandably,

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