Pilled | Louis Bachaud

Species

Macken Murphy

Anthropology, Social Sciences, Species, Science, Animals, Nature

4.8 • 606 Ratings

🗓️ 12 February 2024

⏱️ 129 minutes

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Summary

A deep dive into the manosphere, with the scholar who knows it best, Louis Bachaud.

The manosphere is a constellation of 5 loosely affiliated communities, including pick-up artists (PUAs), men's rights activists (MRAs), "Men Going Their Own Way" (MGTOW), incels (the "Black Pill" communiy), and the "Red Pill" community. Louis details the history of the manosphere, describes the current factions and their differences, and guides us through their use and misuse of science, especially evolutionary psychology. The episode opens with a systematic critique of the manosphere, and the interview starts around 34 minutes in. Enjoy.

Recommended background, especially for critiques of the manosphere:

- Bachaud, L., & Johns, S. E. (2023). The use and misuse of evolutionary psychology in online manosphere communities: The case of female mating strategies. Evolutionary Human Sciences, 5, e28.

For the size and direction of sex differences, see:

- Archer, J. (2019). The reality and evolutionary significance of human psychological sex differences. Biological Reviews, 94(4), 1381-1415.

- Stewart-Williams, S., Butler, C. A., & Thomas, A. G. (2017). Sexual history and present attractiveness: People want a mate with a bit of a past, but not too much. The Journal of Sex Research, 54(9), 1097-1105.

- Schmitt, D. P. (2005). Sociosexuality from Argentina to Zimbabwe: A 48-nation study of sex, culture, and strategies of human mating. Behavioral and Brain sciences, 28(2), 247-275.

- Buss, D. M. (1989). Sex differences in human mate preferences: Evolutionary hypotheses tested in 37 cultures. Behavioral and brain sciences, 12(1), 1-14.

For extra-pair paternity:

- Wolf, M., Musch, J., Enczmann, J., & Fischer, J. (2012). Estimating the prevalence of nonpaternity in Germany. Human Nature, 23, 208-217.

- Anderson, K. (2006). How well does paternity confidence match actual paternity? Evidence from worldwide nonpaternity rates. Current anthropology, 47(3), 513-520.

- Bellis, M. A., Hughes, K., Hughes, S., & Ashton, J. R. (2005). Measuring paternal discrepancy and its public health consequences. Journal of Epidemiology & Community Health, 59(9), 749-754.

For age gaps:

- Conroy-Beam, D., & Buss, D. M. (2019). Why is age so important in human mating? Evolved age preferences and their influences on multiple mating behaviors. Evolutionary Behavioral Sciences, 13(2), 127.

- Antfolk, J., Salo, B., Alanko, K., Bergen, E., Corander, J., Sandnabba, N. K., & Santtila, P. (2015). Women's and men's sexual preferences and activities with respect to the partner's age: Evidence for female choice. Evolution and Human Behavior, 36(1), 73-79.

- Buunk, B. P., Dijkstra, P., Kenrick, D. T., & Warntjes, A. (2001). Age preferences for mates as related to gender, own age, and involvement level. Evolution and Human Behavior, 22(4), 241-250.

Transcript

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0:00.0	I was at a conference in London early last year to give a talk on infidelity from an evolutionary
0:06.0	perspective, and Candace Blake, my supervisor, told me she wanted to introduce me to someone. She said
0:11.8	something like, you got to meet this guy, he's read a million words of Manosphere writing. And then
0:18.4	she shot me a wide-eyed, tight-lipped smile. Did I hear her write a million words?
0:24.5	I wasn't aware that there were a million words to read on the subject. The Manosphere is an online
0:30.3	web of communities centered around men. This includes in the main five groups that's pickup artists, if you remember them,
0:39.2	men's rights activists, mig Tao, a male separatist movement, InSels, who we've spoken about
0:44.7	at length in the past, and the Red Pill community, which I think it's fair to say is where
0:50.5	Andrew Tate and his brother got their big break. They certainly borrowed and rebranded their analogy to The Matrix,
0:57.7	but I'm going to follow the lead of today's guest here
1:00.9	and note that the Tates have distanced themselves verbally from the red pill as, quote, unquote, dorks.
1:08.9	And even before that, they've always seemed, at least to me, to be embarrassed
1:12.7	by the association. And honestly, I get it, right? People in and adjacent to these five groups
1:21.0	saying really negative things about me all the time. And instead of being insulted, I mainly feel embarrassed that they know who I am.
1:31.2	Chris Williamson recently told me that me, him, and a few other public thinkers have been dubbed
1:38.6	the intellectual manosphere by critics within the monosphere.
1:43.8	He joked that if you're going to give us a name by which to dislike us, you shouldn't make it
1:47.9	sound so cool.
1:49.8	And intellectual Manusphere does sound kind of cool if you take it out of the context of the
1:55.5	usual meaning of Manusphere.
1:58.0	But I'm hoping the name won't stick because, to start with, it's a misnomer. My audience has always been mostly women in terms of following, but especially in terms of viewership.
2:10.9	And I don't know Chris's analytics, but my business partner went to a love event of his and told me, regardless of the online
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