Thank you so much. Jeremy Kyle there handing over what a 90 minutes of analysis that was,

what is going down in Manhattan today, the lower court Manhattan with Donald Trump.

They're the 45th American president, of course, standing in front of criminal court facing charges,

currently under arrest, some 34 charges against him as well.

We have these pictures from court, and the question is,

have the Democrats won today?

If this is a politically motivated witch hunter indeed,

have they won in the short term just by getting these photographs out there?

Or is it a bad long-term play? We'll be discussing that plenty more. But if there's one thing that could be said about this, it is Donald Trump, once again, making lemonade out of lemons. I'm going to be joined here in the studio and currently joined the studio by author and historian Tessa Dunlough and by Times Radio host, Adam Bolton, Just the People.

I want alongside you on a day like this because we're going to be talking a lot about historical

context, both of you. Let's just start by getting your reaction to what we've seen so far,

play out in the last hour. I mean, Adam, I know you're a keen historian yourself and obviously

Tessa, you're an accredited historian.

What do you think this means within the sort of great panoply of modern US history

and the presence that you've covered in your career?

Well, it is the first time that we've seen a president indicted.

So that's the first.

But then Donald Trump was also the first president to be impeached twice.

So the Donald Trump show continues.

My own feeling, however, is that this doesn't take him any nearer to the White House.

It will help him raise money for his campaign in the short run,

but he's going to have a lot of legal problems going ahead,

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