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The Kitchen Sisters Present

Pie Down Here: Listening Back—Alabama Sharecroppers and Communist Organizers, 1930s

The Kitchen Sisters Present

The Kitchen Sisters & Radiotopia

Society & Culture

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 15 April 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Pie Down Here — Produced by Signal Hill

In the 1980s, when Robin D.G. Kelley was 24 years old, he took a bus trip to the Deep South. He was researching and recording oral histories with farmworkers and Communist Party members who had organized a sharecroppers union in Alabama during the Great Depression.

Kelly used those oral histories to write his award winning book, Hammer and Hoe: Alabama Communists during the Great Depression.

Recently Kelley listened back to those early recordings with Signal Hill contributor Conor Gillies. He hadn’t heard some of the recordings in decades. Memories came flooding back as Kelley reflected on the people, the story and the power of oral history. 

Robin Davis Gibran Kelley is an American historian and academic, and the Gary B. Nash Professor of American History at UCLA. His books include the prize-winning Thelonious Monk: The Life and Times of an American Original (Free Press, 2009); Freedom Dreams: The Black Radical Imagination (Beacon Press, 2002, new ed. 2022. His essays have appeared in dozens of publications, including The Nation, the New York Times, the New Yorker, New York Review of Books and more.

Pie Down Here was produced by Conor Gillies and edited by Liza Yeager and Omar Etman, with help from the Signal Hill team: Jackson Roach, Annie Rosenthal, and Lio Wong. Music by Nathan Bowles. You can listen to the entire first issue of Signal Hill — eight original stories — on their website at signalhill.fm, or wherever you get podcasts. 

The Kitchen Sisters Present is produced by The Kitchen Sisters (Nikki Silva & Davia Nelson) with Nathan Dalton and Brandi Howell. The Kitchen Sisters Present is part of Radiotopia from PRX, a curated network of independent producers.

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0:00.0

RadioTopia. Welcome to the Kitchen Sisters present. We're the Kitchen Sisters, Davia Nelson, and Nikki Silva.

0:09.0

One of our fellow Radiotopia shows is the award-winning music podcast Song Exploder, where musicians tell the story of how they created one of their songs. This year, Song Exploder has introduced a new series in

0:22.5

their feed called Key Change. It's not about songs that people made. It's about the songs that made

0:28.2

people who they are. The host, Rishi K. Shirwe talks to guests about a piece of music that was

0:33.9

transformative for them. So far, there are episodes with actress Sophie Thatcher on

0:38.6

Elliot Smith, with author and poet Anifa Duraqib on The Clash, and with comedian James Agister

0:44.3

on Outcast. The conversations are intimate and a wonderful peek into how music can change the ways

0:50.6

we see the world and ourselves. Key Change comes out once a month on the Song

0:55.4

Exploder feed. So check it out by searching for Song Exploder on your podcast app or go to

1:01.0

songexploder.net slash keychange. And while you're up there just shuffle through all the

1:06.0

Song Exploder episodes, they're fantastic. My brother, Archie, he was a radical.

1:16.2

They'd have a meeting in the Salvation Army across the street to have one to break it up,

1:22.5

you know, and work and pray live on hate.

1:33.3

For when you die, you'll get pie in the sky. I want my pie down here.

1:36.3

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

1:40.3

Is that how the workers respond?

1:43.3

They say they want their pie down here?

1:46.7

Yeah.

1:49.3

That song is an IWW classic, you know, one of Joe Hill's songs.

1:56.5

Quite a treat to hear Nanny sing that song.

1:59.5

Was he a member of the IWW?

2:02.6

Yes, I want to be a war.

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